that's what nsa does. its sole purpose is to get intelligence to protect americans from attack. >> with we did not have this programs we wouldn't be able to listen in on the bad guys. >> neil: this is just -- using a terror threat to run roughshod over common sense and our constitution. and by the way, patrick to your point, as if we know these programs were responsible for any of the information we have. >> no, no. the taking -- i need to come back to what you just said about the american future fund. anything something i talk about yesterday. bob bauer, the obama campaign lawyer, is the one who instituted this at the fecfec staff went to lois learner, lois lane lerner. he ended up as the irs chief counsel. on the stuff on the nsa -- this is part of the same attack on american democracy, we have people getting up here with these canards saying, look at our program, we got all this information. it had nothing do do with the 300 millions americans whose records they're taking. the nsa is supposed to be list